Making a bigger sound

[mirth]

Just did a recording session last night with the group. Really got a pretty huge sound. Thanks for all the help guys. Pretty happy with it, in general.

Here's what I did:

2 amps in stereo
8 delays panned hard left and right:

Left:
10ms v: 100%
30ms v: 90%
115ms v: 45%
350ms v: 50%

Right:
25ms: v: 100%
45ms: v: 85%
130ms: v 45%
420ms: v: 50%

No feedback on repeats, and the overall wet dry mix was about 60% wet signal.

My pedal board went in this order:

Crybaby wah
EQ pedal: emphasizing some mids
Earthquaker Univibe pedal (set pretty solo...just a bit of a warble).
Zbox of Rock:
Analogman King of tone (yes I ran the distortion into the overdrive)
OC2 octave pedal

Rocktron Intellifex for the delays.

Overall, excited for you y'all to hear it.

Used my Carvin DC400.

[sonicdeviant]

May 18, 2017 5:41:30 GMT -5 mirth said:

The vocals are why I can't listen to them . I remembered upon listening to your link. Even the more grungy ones were still a bit too 80s rocker for me.

The vox are one of my favorite parts of Kings X. Harmonies are gorgeous and tight.

[asb]

I can't imagine how long it took them to do those vocals on those records. Must have taken hours just to figure out the harmonies.

[mirth]

Too cheesy of a style for me. Anything edging on that 80s sound is gross to me.

[asb]

The later stuff might have been more to your liking. They apparently were encouraged to do that Beatles-esque harmony by their former producer and once they were on their own it was more like, well, grunge.

[mirth]

Welp, I'm entering Marshall territory for the first time today (according to Fed-Ex). Also, first Vox thing too.

I wanted a 2x12 cabinet with Greenbacks for my Mesa so I got the Vox 212C (always preferred open back cabinets too), but ended up also snagging a B-Stock Marshall DSL100H too, which has great reviews. Thanks Sweetwater 48 months thing...

Anyways... I've haven't really been happy with using my Fender amp, particularly for gainy stuff (even with some really good pedals it just doesn't feel right). Anyways, I figured, why not, the plus it will do 50 Watts, not just 100... and I snagged an attenuator too anyways.

So I think I might see how it goes, and either use the Mesa or Marshall as a dry signal, then use the Fender for wet (it takes pedals very well, hard to find a pedal that doesn't sound good on it).

It may end up being kind of amusing to be running a Mesa, Marshall, Vox, and Fender at some of my live shows.

I'll let you know how it goes. Can't believe it's taken this long to actually get some kind of Marshall, particularly an EL34 one.

[asb]

I found another trick too:

Roll your tone control back just a couple notches, no more than a couple of millimeters from maxed out.

[mirth]

Yeah, I usually roll it back a bit, unfortunately not all of my guitars are wired well...I should fix them by I don't...here's the problem, tone knobs are logarithmic, but most manufacturers don't buy lefty pots, but they still wire them lefty, meaning they're actually wired backwards...so this effectively makes it so that the tone know is only effective for about the last 7% of travel...meaning, it's very difficult to be consistent with it. Carvin, however, just keeps them righty, so they spin the other direction relative to me (not mirror of a right handed guitar, but the same direction).

They do make reverse logarithmic potentiometers, but pretty much every one is too cheap to buy them (including me, haha). So, only the Carvin's have the pots the right way (sort of) except that they spin backwards.

I actually have to constantly think....do I turn this knob left or right to turn it up? On every guitar I play.

Oh, about the Marshall, I think I'm actually more excited to hear the clean channel than even the gainy channels...I've always kind of liked that Marshall "clean" over fender, it's more articulate or something. I'm curious too, since Marshall's are apparently "faster" amps, compared to Fender, I think I'll like that. That's part of my problem with the Fender, I think I'd want a more immediate response. Maybe I should just get a Dumble....haha.

[mirth]

It's here.... Not sure why I never had a Marshall... I'm a fan.

[Infinite Ego]

Marshall is pretty much the sound of rock....I'm sure you'll dig it

[mirth]

I'm quite liking it. Feel like I could relatively easily dial in so many icon guitar tones. Fun stuff. Plus I like how quick it responds to what I play.

[Infinite Ego]

I like an amp that has the weird ability to be both 'fast' but also some spongy sag to it at the same time with natural compression and bloom. that's tough. It has to have the right preamp and power amp interaction.

[Infinite Ego]

I can use a tape echo to help achieve that weird combination of fast attack + mushiness

[mirth]

Yeah, the legacy feels like what you're mentioning. It's pretty quick and telling, but there is this sort of natural sag about it that's nice. Almost like a slapback, though that could be the V30s, which sort of get that doubling sound when they're loud.

BTW... the Mesa 50 caliber head through the Greenbacks open cab made a world of difference. The drive channel is so smooth now, almost violin like...dare I say dumble like. I'm actually now thinking I'd like to maybe get another Vox cabinet, it sounds really good to me. Then I could run some crazy switching mechanism that has the Mesa, the Marshall, and the fender available for my different sounds....I can see why people like EJ, Bonammassa, etc... run multiple amp setups. You find that sound and you want to keep using it. The Mesa lead sound is just killer now. The Marshall gets those classic tones, but the Mesa is that more complex but more violin like sweet tone.

Oh decisions. Anyways. Digging all the purchases.

[mirth]

But the thought of carrying all that shit seems insane....however... the showman side of it seems legit though...people love seeing amps on stage.