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Post by Infinite Ego on May 30, 2017 18:23:52 GMT -5
I watched a vid of EVH actually claiming that his guitar playing was the cause that tabs were invented. LOL
Love EVH but this guy has really gotten lost in his own myth.
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Post by asb on May 30, 2017 23:01:27 GMT -5
Tab dates back well before the electric era.
Now did his music spur a more widespread adoption of tab? I'd say that is possible. It wasn't just him though: Yngwie, Steve Vai, George Lynch, Allan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane. Anyone who had speedy licks that were hard to grok had some form of tab out on their music.
Or Ed's ego is as big as a planet and he needs to be subjected to a jam session with Arthur Rhames (time travel - if it were possible) to knock him down a peg or two.
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Post by sonicdeviant on May 31, 2017 3:45:13 GMT -5
I remember an interview once where Ed was talking about the jam sessions he had with Allan Holdsworth. Ed was trying to explain why he couldn't play jazz with VH, because 9th chords just wouldn't work through a blazing Marshall. It sounded like an attempt to explain why he couldn't play like Allan Holdsworth. Because you can't, Ed. Not many humans can. I should add that I'm also a big VH fan.
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Post by asb on May 31, 2017 6:56:34 GMT -5
I've heard that jam between AH and Ed. They're playing one of Allan's tunes like Letters of Marque or Where is One? I forget. It's one of those cripplingly unplayable tunes that never settles in one key for very long and Ed tries fitting his stuff over the top in spots. Eventually he starts making whammy noises.
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jun 1, 2017 7:00:22 GMT -5
Not surprised to hear that. That's what happens when an ego-laden rock guitarist encounters a fusion monster like Holdsworth. You don't just waltz into that territory with ease.
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Post by ThePsychoShredder on Jun 1, 2017 15:48:24 GMT -5
Haha, Tablatures exist since 14th century.
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jun 1, 2017 18:35:30 GMT -5
Ed is freakin' ancient !!!
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Post by chromedinette on Jun 1, 2017 18:42:35 GMT -5
Ha. As has been mentioned, Lute tab has been around forever.
I like Van Halen, but Eddie is one of those guys who has no idea if what he is doing is good or not.
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Post by mirth on Jun 2, 2017 9:46:06 GMT -5
I suspect most of those tabs weren't very good then though. There is probably some truth for some magazine. i remember hearing Brad Gillis (I think) talking about everyone trying to figure out what Eddie was doing, but it was all on records, they had no idea what tapping really was, or what it could sound like. So everyone tried to play it without tapping. Music notation can show this, but it's pretty terrible for showing tapping in some effective way.
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jun 2, 2017 18:56:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I took it to mean that they had to incorporate a few new symbols to the customary tab symbols. but you know Ed. .... I invented it.
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Post by asb on Jun 3, 2017 22:56:32 GMT -5
Then there was Allan Holdsworth with his custom notation (not tab, not standard notation) that apparently only meant something to him. I've got a couple of examples of that. He described the system in his video lesson "just for the curious". He apparently created a telephone book thick document with this system. He used math to figure out all possible chords and scales on the guitar then ruled out single note lines that went in one direction if I remember right.: Then from these charts he created four note per string scales that were based on those chords. So here's a chart from one of his tunes:  |
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jun 3, 2017 23:13:44 GMT -5
There's the hard way....then there's the AH way
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jun 4, 2017 4:59:30 GMT -5
There's the hard way....then there's the AH way Really. That's almost as difficult as Pat Martino's method and theories. Invents system = only similar aliens can understand. |
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Post by asb on Jun 4, 2017 22:04:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty convinced he WAS an alien.
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Post by mirth on Jun 6, 2017 8:45:54 GMT -5
I think the Holdsworth thing is kind of easy....hear me out.
He literally is just writing which scale he's using, instead of the chord progression ...Which he basically thinks of as the same thing.
Look at any jazz studies college kids real book and you'll see scales written under every chord...however Holdsworth just invented symbols for each scale instead of using common language. Since its sort of a pain to write out phrygian dominant....though some would write "phr.dom." Holdsworth might write "+=#" lol...or whatever each means.
My point is it's almost the cheating way to write charts.
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