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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 5, 2017 22:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jul 6, 2017 4:39:56 GMT -5
Funny to watch these houses of cards fall, huh? But hey, I like Duracell 9v in my pedals; they sound thicker than Energizers.
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 6, 2017 8:39:39 GMT -5
but energizers have the official mojo
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Post by mirth on Jul 6, 2017 10:41:35 GMT -5
Well it's sort of just semantics, because changing your tubes will change the sound, and since they do affect the response from the speaker, they do, in some way actually have a sound. When comparing the same amp with EL34 and 6l6 the EL34 will sound more midrangy, so with all things equal it kind of does have a sound.
If we use different speakers, but use the same tube comparisons of each, the EL34 will always sound more midrangy. Though all this does is make the equation even more convoluted, haha. Since we can now talk about the tiny differences between Mullards and JJs etc... because the Mullars are 104 to 130 and the JJs are 104.5 to 131 or something. Still, it's fun to watch people get mad.
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 6, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -5
in a vacuum nobody can hear you scream
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 6, 2017 11:29:00 GMT -5
actually, the easiest way to explain this is that the vacuum tube has no tone itself but has a tone effect on the circuit. An analogy from Marx: labor is not itself value but creates value
My way of thinking is this: "tone" is not really a physical thing but a moral / social judgment
tone comes from the Greek tonos which means tension and stretching. It applies to sound but really means a quality of sound and that quality is always a social and aesthetic judgment. Circuits produce sound but they don't really produce 'tone' per se. Tone is retroactively projected onto the sound as good or bad. There is no such that as a good or bad physical thing, they just are, but we can judge them as good or bad in the same way I judge chocolate to be superior to strawberry ice-cream. One is good and one is better. But the good and the better are not found in the ice-cream itself.
Tubes interacting with a speaker form a relation and all relations are abstractions and hence move us from the world of the physical to the world of judgements and concepts
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jul 7, 2017 4:50:13 GMT -5
but energizers have the official mojo Damn it! Thicker sound? Mojo? Thicker sound? Mojo? Perhaps I can rig a parallel circuit with a switch allowing me to choose between the two batteries and thus the two states of easily discernible goodness. |
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 7, 2017 11:03:50 GMT -5
my god, what a great TGP idea. we could make millions off those guys. An A/B box that switches between Duracell and Energizer (the D/E pedal)
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Post by mirth on Jul 7, 2017 11:23:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but the 2 wires have to be exactly the same length, calibrated to a trillionth of a nano-meter, or they could be affecting the sound too.............
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 7, 2017 12:34:13 GMT -5
or do they? how about a switch that gives you the option for three diff. wire types with the most awesome being push-back cloth-covered wire
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jul 8, 2017 4:10:57 GMT -5
Haha !!! 😄It probably would sell. Let's call it the Bullshitatron 2000. It could even be its own pedal that does nothing more than "flavor" the signal chain.
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Post by Infinite Ego on Jul 8, 2017 7:26:57 GMT -5
pedalboard electron sauce
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Post by sonicdeviant on Jul 11, 2017 4:27:03 GMT -5
😄👍
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Post by mirth on Jul 11, 2017 13:17:54 GMT -5
Make sure one of the wires is coiled...then I'll buy it. haha
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Post by asb on Jul 12, 2017 14:20:31 GMT -5
Think about it - any variable you change in a complex guitar rig you are essentially altering a control point in a complex program.
It can range from things like power sources (yes, batteries but also ac), tubes (new, old, vintage sylvania? mullard?), cables (same cables you've ran for 100 years or did you rewire your pedalboard?) guitar wise (same guitar? same pickups? same set of strings you used two months ago? did you change gauge or set the action?), what about effects? Did your pedal order change? Did you change your pedal-to-pedal cables?
The more points in the setup the more complicated it is and the less likely it is to have a consistent sound from playing session to playing session.
I do like the idea of the "battery sourcerator" device that lets you change the source of 9v from energizer to duracell to ray-o-vac. I bet it would sell.
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